tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5768887527712554781.post7791653587970356454..comments2023-06-19T09:26:26.664-04:00Comments on NJ HORSEPLAYER: Ironically, Done In By A Monmouth LongshotBill Holobowskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06267163445590752501noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5768887527712554781.post-4479060077506459112012-08-08T21:49:53.249-04:002012-08-08T21:49:53.249-04:00I totally agree about encouraging new players. And...I totally agree about encouraging new players. And, in fact, I'm OK with allowing non-Tour players into on-track tourneys and them having a shot at prize money, but in terms of point allocation I'm saying it's up to the NHC to allot points solely to NHC Tour players, rather than giving third-place points, for instance, to the top NHC Tour finisher in a particular contest.Bill Holobowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06267163445590752501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5768887527712554781.post-66757479749478470902012-08-08T21:06:26.923-04:002012-08-08T21:06:26.923-04:00Nj Horseplayer
I'm glad you had fun,That'...Nj Horseplayer<br /> I'm glad you had fun,That's important.I agree with Tour points,But i think your to harsh on not letting non/members play.They are getting penalized not going to vegas and some are getting their feet wet for the first time and after that I bet when they are more comfortable,They will sign up for the tour.Instead of keeping them out we should be welcoming New players.I bet the suffolk and Monmouth winners will be tour members.The person from Monmouth was in his first tournament.I personally hope they stay non/members.<br />Suffolk Downs PlayerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5768887527712554781.post-48108168333107386552012-08-08T09:31:11.003-04:002012-08-08T09:31:11.003-04:00S'Downs Player, I made the trip to Suffolk to ...S'Downs Player, I made the trip to Suffolk to have fun and maybe to get lucky enough for an NHC seat (not so much for the prize purse), but also because there is only one on-track NHC tournament I can afford or make time for in my area (Monmouth in September). Lenny (of the Equinometry blog) wrote about this a few weeks back. The Tour wants us to play in more tournaments, but the players in areas w/limited access to on-track tournaments (Boston-area folks among them) are totally screwed, unless you can afford to travel huge distances to play at out-of-state tracks. Again, I wouldn't have so much of a problem w/non-Tour members competing for the cash prizes if tracks want to increase player attendance, but I think those players should not be counted toward the NHC Tour points standings. The number of non-Tour participants is irrelevant. If in your example there are only 30 Tour players competing among 130 total, then the Top 3 (10% of 30) should get the Tour points, rather than (hypothetically) none of them getting points because the top 3 finishers are not Tour members.Bill Holobowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06267163445590752501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5768887527712554781.post-23893645166972603222012-08-07T19:57:40.098-04:002012-08-07T19:57:40.098-04:00I think there is an argument on both sides"Bu...I think there is an argument on both sides"But I feel your chances of qualifying are much betterwith non/members finishing near the top then losing out in the top 100 pt. leaders.You came to Suffolk Downs because The three seats seemed very attractive.It would have been more attractive if they sent the 5th and 6th place finishers to Vegas.As far as non/members not having to pay $50.00,I bet the suffolk winner and the July 7th Monmouth winner are kicking themselves right now and the players who backed in are Happy.Plus we need player participation,Look what happened tothe Super Qualifiers,They are Gone'We also need paramutual betting at these venues,If racetracks are going to continue to host these events.When you came to Suffolk Downs ,Would you rather have played against 130 tour members or 30 tour members and 100 non/members?<br /> Suffolk Downs PlayerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5768887527712554781.post-61401080116396901402012-08-07T16:01:59.618-04:002012-08-07T16:01:59.618-04:00...and (in the last sentence) I meant that dues-pa......and (in the last sentence) I meant that dues-paying members ABSOLUTELY care about accumulating Tour points (perhaps more than winning prize money in many cases)Bill Holobowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06267163445590752501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5768887527712554781.post-30866364024571048222012-08-07T10:15:56.100-04:002012-08-07T10:15:56.100-04:00Suffolk Downs Player,
You're right about the ...Suffolk Downs Player,<br /><br />You're right about the prospects of finishing 5th and hypothetically getting into the Vegas tourney by default with a few non-Tour people ahead of me in the standings, but that misses my point.<br /><br />In general, at the same time the NHC Tour is forcing Tour members to play in on-track tournaments in order to qualify for the Tour standings awards for 2012, they're letting anyone off the Street enter NHC qualifiers, which is an EXTREMELY mixed message to Tour members. <br /><br />I get that the tracks want to maximize contest participation, but it's not my fault someone's too cheap or too disinterested in spending a mere $50 to join the Tour. Those people should either be excluded from the standings when it comes to allocating Tour points (I don't care so much about the top-10 prize money pool) or prohibited altogether from participating in NHC-based contests. <br /><br />Let them play in Horse Player World Series or other contests that are not contingent upon NHC Tour membership. <br /><br />The Tour's treatment of the Suffolk contest standings, in essence, tells its members that their $50 annual membership is meaningless, since roughly 5-6 players who aren't even on the Tour took points away from dues-paying members who could care less about accumulating Tour points.Bill Holobowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06267163445590752501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5768887527712554781.post-57827057040892528342012-08-06T19:48:33.455-04:002012-08-06T19:48:33.455-04:00I disagree with your look at non tour members bein...I disagree with your look at non tour members being in tournaments.What if you finished fifth in the Suffork downs tournament and two people in front of you are not tour members.You would be going to Vegas Right??If they signed up,You would only be getting a small check from Suffork Downs<br /> Suffork Downs Player<br /> AnonomousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5768887527712554781.post-33393133662777652812012-08-05T21:44:21.780-04:002012-08-05T21:44:21.780-04:00Susan, you'll have to clarify the "Huddie...Susan, you'll have to clarify the "Huddie contest" for me...never heard of it.Bill Holobowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06267163445590752501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5768887527712554781.post-77028146076821048842012-08-05T20:20:50.665-04:002012-08-05T20:20:50.665-04:00Hey Bill, Nice re-cap here, and your tweet reminde...Hey Bill, Nice re-cap here, and your tweet reminded me that I should e-mail Suffolk for my results. (Ugh) Don't know if you are doing the Huddie contest? , but it got blown apart today with 3 people selecting the Vanderbilt winner and adding over $100. to their bankroll.(no cap!) I was sitting at 10th, before today, now this will change but there's still 4 more weekends to catch up. Have thought about getting down to Monmouth, haven't been since BC, maybe one of these days...Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13579834663084220823noreply@blogger.com